(Responded) Interest charged on positions for peak margins

I am using two trading accounts, one with Groww and one with Dhan. Mostly, I am more active in the Dhan account because Dhan giving good features for traders.

But now, I got one issue. Dhan charged more interest on my trades, and because of this, I am thinking if I should continue using Dhan mainly.

I have pledged securities and also have cash balance. Recently, I took one intraday position for the full amount of my margin. Before the day ended, I reduced my position and made sure my cash and collateral was 50-50 as needed. Still, Dhan charged interest on that position. Is this normal?

Hey @Sita1965 ,

Welcome back to the Made For Trade Community. It will be great if you can share your exact query along with your UCC on help@dhan.co or chat with us to get further clarity on the specific query that you have. Dhan will never charge you additional interest unless there is reason enough to do so.

Thanks,
Pranita
Product @ Dhan

Thanks for quick reply, Pranita.

I will send email with details, but for making it clear for other people in this forum, I will ask simple question.

Suppose my cash balance is Rs.50,000 and my collateral is Rs.2,00,000. In intraday, I take position for full margin of Rs.2,50,000.

By end of the day, I reduce my position, and now my end of day margin is Rs.1,00,000. I am fulfilling this with Rs.50,000 cash and Rs.50,000 collateral.

If this situation happens, do you charge interest on the Rs.2,50,000 margin or the Rs.1,00,000 margin?

Hey @Sita1965 ,

Was it a cash or F&O position? Incase it is an F&O position, interest will be charged on peak margins.

Thanks,
Pranita
Product @ Dhan

This was F&O position. When did this rule change? No big broker is charging interest on peak margin, only you are doing this. Where is it written in the NSE circular that you can charge on peak margin?

Also, what is the rate of interest charged?

Hi @Sita1965 Sitaram, it has been peak margin for a while now. Broking platforms report peak margins of clients to exchange, any defaults here leads to penalties… and these are standard reporting across all Stock Brokers, none of them are specific to Dhan. Circulars are on NSE or simply searching for NSE Peak Margin reporting will help you get to them.

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Pravin sir,

Thank you for your response.

I have checked across most online brokers.

My current broker, Groww does not charge interest based on Peak but EOD

Kotak does not charge based on peak -What is the 50% Cash-Margin Rule in Futures and Options? (Ctrl+F Interest)

While doing research, I came across this thread, please check Cash Component Clarification - F&O - Trading Q&A by Zerodha - All your queries on trading and markets answered where they are saying Zerodh also not charging

Angel charges on peak over 10L utilisation only for intraday

When big brokers are only not charging, why Dhan who is favouring traders is charging?

Please switch to charging only EOD and confirm. I need the interest to be reversed and confirmation that interest will be charged on EOD, or else I have to move to trading with Groww

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Hi @Sita1965 Let me have this reviewed with our team and we will confirm.

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Hey @Sita1965 ,

Request if you can DM me your UCC ? Will get in touch to discuss this further.

Thanks,
Pranita
Product @ Dhan

Thank you sir, hopefully you will consider traders wishes and grant them like you have continuously done with your product and tech innovations

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@Sita1965 Please share your registered email ID or phone number on DM so we can check your details & get in touch with you.

Hi @Pranita ,

I have also had multiple entries in my ledger towards Margin INterest similar to the trader who has raised this issue. As already raisedby this trader , no penalty or interest should be chargeable on the same.

Can you pls explain what these charges are towards? While the amounts are marginal, dont like that debits are being applied when there shouldnt be any (per my understanding).

@Sita1965 , would appreciate if you could let know how your issue was resolved.

Regards

Hi @PrithviD, Welcome to MadeForTrade!.

As discussed over the call, we are reviewing your query and will update you shortly.

Hi @Siyanka , awaiting your reply.

Hi @PrithviD

We have responded you with a resolution to your query on your registered email ID.

Hi @Siyanka

The reply states that there was a shortfall in peak margin for that day. However, there was no notification on your app / web front end or later via email that there was a peak margin shortfall during the day.

Secondly, since the BOD margin file is constantly applied for all positions during the day, and I had no hedge positions, I was curious to understand as to how a margin shortfall scenario came about in the first place?

Thirdly, to quote your own community post Important Update: On Margins, Usage of Broker Funds, and Interest Charges - “If you are trading with full cash and cash equivalents provided by you, you do not have to worry about anything here including the interest charges as the 100% margin is provided by you.”

Lastly, the scenarios for levying DPC are clearly mentioned in your post -

Broadly, it’s under the following scenarios:

  • When you take positions based on margins granted to you but margins are not maintained in the 50:50 ratio as prescribed by exchanges.
  • Do not pay for Buy Trade within T+2 days
  • When you avail margin funding facility
  • When charges debited in the ledger are not paid immediately

My case does not fall into any of the above scenarios.

Based on the above, I would like to understand on what basis the interest is being applied?

@PravinJ - FYI pls.

Siyanka - Pls call if you need to discuss for greater clarity.

@Siyanka you were to respond post our call last Friday. I am waiting for your response.

Hi @Siyanka @Dhan_Cares

Its been a week…awaiting a response from your side.

Reply received from you repeats the same old stuff - exchange screenshot received later shows shortage.

You have not answered my question as to why shortage should be there when no shortage was shown by your front end at any point of time during the day. Why is your RMS not in sync with the exchange requirements? If your RMS system does not show the right margin requirement to be kept by the client (in fact shows a lower amount), why should the client pay any interest on shortfall when he has maintained the amount asked by you? Why cant you get your margin in line with exchange requirement?

@PravinJ @JayK

Dont think your reps are getting the issue or are not able to articulate their response to help the client understand the response. Who can help here?

Hi @PrithviD ,

As discussed over the call, we hope your query is now addressed, thank you for your understanding.